Episode Summary

I sit down with my good friend producer/artist Giovanni Giusti (CRUELS, The Limousines) and we talk creativity, channeling grief, arguing with strangers online, cultivating ignorance for mental health, dangerous plants, AI, automation, analog synths and making music.

Episode Notes

I sit down with my good friend producer/artist Giovanni Giusti (CRUELS, The Limousines) and we talk creativity, channeling grief, arguing with strangers online, cultivating ignorance for mental health, dangerous plants, AI, automation, analog synths and making music.

This episode would serve as the blueprint for the interviews in season two. I’m not sure why I was always so averse to doing long-form interviews. Part of me thinks I just hadn’t learned to how to listen yet nor had I cultivated the curiosity in others, but viewing it through the lens of learning really transformed this for me, not just this episode but the entire podcast. It’s also transformed the way that I interact with people in my personal life.

My goal is to make each guest feel comfortable, so I don’t do intros, making them feeling like “Okay, it’s time to dance monkey.” Instead we just start chatting and later when I edit, I look for the right place to start the episode. This feel more natural.

At first, when listening to this episode was bothered by how much I talked at the beginning, which of course just the insecurity of doing something new. In reality, this is a prefect example of why I call them chats and not interviews. It a two-way conversation. I’m not just the questions feed. I need to interact. I feel like there are just time when you have to share first, where you have to make yourself vulnerable before asking the guest to share something. It’s good manners.

I don’t do any prep for these chats. It keeps me on edge and allows me to be as nervous as a guest might be. It also means that all my discoveries in the episode happen in real time. Like, what I refer to as the gold int his episode, the story of the cactus! I was hearing it for the first time and I was just as wrapped up in Gio’s story-telling as the audience.

It was from there that I really began to understand the adventure of having guest on for longer chats: finding out where we end up. From insights into his creative process to the more personal details of his father’s death, Gio really opened himself up.

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About the Show

I believe conversations aren't about facts and answers, they're about trying on ideas and wrestling with complex, elusive, ridiculous & difficult questions to see what's possible. I want to understand who people are, how they think, & how they can expand my perspective. Most of my guests are people in creative fields, some aren't, but all of them are fascinating to me. These are civil discussions where I'm willing to be wrong, I'm willing to disagree, I'm willing to cultivate crushes, and I'm willing to fall in love with human beings.

Creative Minds for me is all about casual conversations that aren't rushed or forced; conversations that find their depth naturally. I used to love running across old episodes of Dick Cavett and Charlie Rose and wonder why they were so damn short; what they would be like without commercial breaks, and "we're out of time." To me, Creative Minds is a late night radio talk show: just two people talking low, getting lost in the dark, and digging up bones like no one is listening.